As nouns the difference between horsehide and cowhide is that horsehide is hide of a horse while cowhide is (countable) a hide of a cow. Squeaked at first, but now that it's breaking in, it doesn't anymore. The finish on cow tends to look a lot nicer. We also run some Bison, which would seem to behave like a cow/steerhide, but it's quite different. The highnoon down under with straps is an excellent holster for me. Works well enough that I can carry with an extended mag release and it never comes undone. I'm going to try to deliver info on what seems to be a major distinguishing factor for many people in terms of leather jackets - horsehide or cowhide? Weird. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I’ve went on record on the podcast saying that I didn’t think there was really any difference between the two, and for the most part, there isn’t. This gives it a "buttery" or soft surface feel, and makes it easy to damage. Holsters & Belts. This is illustrated (below right) where, using the same pressure during the blocking process, the protruding safety-catch on the metal block has pushed through and damaged … Bulls are made into steers for ranching. since cows live longer than their steer counterparts. One major difference between a cow/steerhide and a calfskin is the appearance of the grain, which tends to be finer on calf. Location: Kansas. Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. I would only say that it makes a different jacket, just like it makes up into a different shoe when compared to other leather options. For us, cow/steerhide is cut and tanned as "sides," and horsehide becomes three separate products. Find information on Vintage Baseball collectibles, Tips on caring for your Valued Memorabilia collection Price Guide, Dates, and … The fronts have traditionally been used for jackets because they are tough and thin, making them great for the application. If you really want to understand the differences, speak to someone who works with leather every day, all day, and really understands this sort of thing, like the owner at A Better Belt USA. TOF Well-Known Member . Today's baseballs are made of cowhide. I read that Horsehide doesn’t need to be lined, it is smoother than cowhide. Humidity sucks. Open invitation. In 3 years of carrying with the horsehide Supertuck, I never had this much sweat on my pistol when drawing it from the holster. I’ll send you an email. _____ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Prima di tutto, essere armati. Yeah, I’ll have to do that. . Wondering if I should go horse, or cowhide? As a verb cowhide is to flog with a cowhide. It's sharper and more frequent but you won't get the loose grain associated with low grade cowhides. So, if you don’t live in a hot climate, or you don’t care about getting your pistol sweaty, just go ahead and get the cowhide version. Horsehide used for good holsters, belts and shoes is shell cordovan (mostly from the Horween tannery in Chicago), which is a sub-skin membrane from the hindquarters of the horse (ie, the horse's ass). Crossbreed Supertuck Cowhide Vs Horsehide. The Reckoning Holster is shown (from left to right) in Founder's Series, Black Cowhide, and Horsehide leather. The strip and the shells are pure vegetable pit tannages, and the horsefront can be tanned either with or without chrome - note: horsefront a.k.a. Nothing worse than a IWB holster that will not conform to your body. 20 Comments. When I say cowhide, it almost always means steerhide for us, since we're typically buying the heaviest (thickest) hides that are available. 2.75 oz. - Heifer - this is a cow that hasn't produced any calves, thus the bellies of the hide tend to be heavier than on a cow that has had offspring. So I recently obtained my ccw. These are all full grain products. Kept the gun tight to me but was very comfortable. Yeah, I don’t think it’s really a problem, just something to be aware of. MLB made the change due to a shortage of horsehide. I have heard Horsehide is a denser and tighter grained flesh than cowhide. Lucas Ever. Do they age in looks about the same? Horsehide vs cowhide? Messages: 316. TC125 New Member. Horse hide is also less porous than cowhide, so dyed horse leather tends to … It will break-in and age rapidly, becoming softer as you wear it. It is used for everything from motorcycle gear, jackets, vests, gun holsters, saddles, and boots because of its durability, heavy weight, and strength. Bison & Buffalo Leather vs Cow Leather Processing. I loved my Crossbreed for about six months, until I noticed that because of the all leather side, it kept popping the mag release on my M&P compact when I was shifting around in the car. First posting on forums. If they made a holster with two belt attachments I’d probably try one. 49 Posts #4 • Jan 17, 2013. Earlier this week I spent several hours outdoors with temperatures in the mid 90’s, and for the first time I noticed the difference between the cowhide and horsehide: In the closeup above, the difference in grain appearance is very noticeable. Holsters that are skin side to the body (i.e. The Crossbreed was more comfortable, but the mag issue is for me, obviously, a deal breaker. I get the advantages of horse vs. cow and think horse would be the way to go, but what I want to know is if it is excessively stiff compared to cow. Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. Thread Tools. I have loved it for the few weeks I've had it! Editor/Head Honcho at Triangle Tactical. It is one (of many) reasons we construct our IWB holsters smooth side out. The shell has no grain, the strip in the center has very pronounced and coarse grain, and the two steerhide examples have very fine, but still very pronounced grain. This would also be far more costly to make, which is probably why it isn’t being done. If the construction is rough-side towards the body there is little you can do to correct that situation. It is also naturally water resistant and non-porous, and also more … Horsehide is less able to take and hold a shape than cowhide but is more durable and less resistant to sweat, scratches and material breakdown. Joined: Oct 16, 2014 Location: Western Suburbs of Illinois. Since cowhide leather typically has a more open grain, it will absorb moisture faster than horsehide leather. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Calf hides, as one might assume, are smaller and lighter in weight (less thick) when compared to steer or cowhide. Humidity sucks. Even within these classifications there are further categories. than cowhide but this is part of its beauty and makes it unique. Cowhide vs horsehide Discussion in 'Holsters and Cases' started by TC125, Jun 23, 2012. I am not necessarily looking at a leather that will … It was still functional, just ugly. highenuff89. Horsehide comes with a number of benefits over traditional cowhide leather. They will all work to maintain your edge. Feb 28, 2010 #3. LOL. Softness/stretchiness of most areas of horsehide is just as much a function of the whole process as the base tannage. The hides also have more natural wrinkles and striations due to the ruggedness of the animal. I prefer cowhide for belts and IWB holsters. The flesh side of the hide Is far more permeable than the top grain side, and top grain side can be sealed with wax giving far more moisture resistance. Looking for a good iwb holster to carry. Horsehide is slicker and smoother than cowhide, both inside and out. Can I suggest checking-out the N82 Tactical Professional series. Buffalo hide grain is more distinct than cowhide leather grain, and gives a project a more earthy or rustic look. The primary difference between HNS and a BBS are the number of brands in the lot. Thread Tools. "Horsehide" is actually muscle tissue, and much smoother and more fine-grained than cowhide, which actually is skin and has visible follicle and sweat-gland markings. Do your recommended getting ordering your holster lined or not? Cowhide vs Horsehide.....? It’s only an issue if you get a certain set of criteria together, like using a completely unfinished/unburnished piece of leather flesh side to the body. ONL baseball stamped 'Cowhide Baseball First Use 4-4-74 Cincinnati Vs. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. The tanning of cow hides, however, typically involves modern techniques involving chemicals, while a bison/buffalo hide is normally tanned using organic materials. Strops come in a lot of different leather types' cowhide, horsehide, horse shell, kangaroo, bison, pigskin, etc. Some people like heavy draw; some like medium draw; some like a fast, light draw. The bison hides themselves are much greasier (higher fat content) and tend to have pockets of light weight (thin) areas, especially over the natural hump of the animal's back. Horsehide has a high level of natural water repellency which is only bolstered by the tanning process, and its tough composition makes it resistant to stretching or losing it… It has more of a matte finish and will not usually be as shiny as cowhide. That is how we used to make our “old school” 3-way Paddle, worked great. Also, due to horse being a tougher hide, it also tends to squeak a lot when being worn, so if you want a quiet holster, stick with cow. Now vegetable tanned horsehide is extremely close-grained, dense and oily. After wearing the horsehide Supertuck for 3+ years I never noticed it really repelling sweat, so when I won a free Crossbreed holster at a match, I just went ahead and ordered the cowhide version. Treated to give it an “antique” appearance. Tried a CompTac CTAC and have used that very happily for three years since. Our lambskin is substantial. I Live in a Very Humid area that gets hot during the Summer and I have never had a problem with my Supertuck Cowhide Holster I love it and recommend it to my students. front quarter horsehide (FQHH), double horsefront (DHF), and single horsefront (SHF). Cowhide vs Horsehide. Horsehide usually does have more natural markings, scars, wrinkles, etc. Cut it. Even better than your horsehide would be two thin layers sewn top grain out on both sides. MKL A-List Customer. Horsehide Leather vs Cowhide Leather Holster. I had a Kramer horsehide dress belt once. You may just get converted, LOL. Years ago when I purchased my first Crossbreed Supertuck holster, I had heard from many sources that the horsehide version was the best in hot climates because the horsehide wasn’t as absorbent as cowhide, and because of this it would keep sweat off of your pistol. The grain structure also means that horsehide tends to be more abrasion resistant than cowhide. Horsehide is naturally a little less porous than cowhide since the grain is marginally tighter, however, much of the moisture resistance is due to the horsehide (like the bullhide we prefer to use) being a compressed leather with a semi-finish done to the “rough side”. He swapped it for a cowhide and was perfectly happy. Learn how your comment data is processed. It's difficult for an amateur to tell them apart until shown samples of each. These hides tend to have more natural markings to them (healed scratches, bug bites, etc.) My horsehide Supertuck I trimmed down around the mag release so that wasn’t an issue. The Horsehide I use at least seems to have a silky feel. I have NEVER had that kind of sweat on my sidearm. Lightweight, meaning thin, cowhide, though, also makes beautiful jackets. Horses are reared in smaller groups and receive a higher level of care compared to cows, so their skin is generally free of blemishes or damage which allows tanneries to produce a top quality leather that has a super-fine grain and smooth hand. This is generally considered to be the best available hide, and there are many other possible grades other than those mentioned above (but for the what we're working on here this is plenty). Cow and buffalo hides are similar in strength and elasticity; both are the strongest of easily obtainable animal hides, and do not stretch easily, which make them a good choice for upholstery, shoes, or bags. I learned a lot speaking with him about materials when I was shopping for a good gun belt. Horsehide is naturally a little less porous than cowhide since the grain is marginally tighter, however, much of the moisture resistance is due to the horsehide (like the bullhide we prefer to use) being a compressed leather with a semi-finish done to the “rough side”. Horse leather also has a coarser grain than cowhide and many feel it has a brighter, more shiny appearance. Dude, you need to stop by the shop while I’m there and let me demo a Covert for you. Baseball's are made of cool stuff that you eat. https://www.facebook.com/ActiveSelfProtection/posts/606032802837837?ref=notif¬if_t=notify_me. Most of the time it is naturally darker so when dyed it will be darker than a cowhide item of the same color. That is sweat. Not paper-thin like the lambskin found on “fashion” leather jackets. I’m trying to pick between a Mitch Rosen or a Greg Kramer holster. Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and … This is also an appropriate time to explain the differences between the other types of hides that we process. The dressing and type of latigo will make the draw vary but it has a similar feel. Does being smooth side out really help keep less moisture from getting onto the gun? Unfortunately, humidity and constant moisture will permeate almost any leather if given sufficient time. From a production and yield standpoint, cow/steerhide is always better. all leather holsters except for hybrids) and don’t do any proper finishing/burnishing to at least give some moisture resistance. Horse hide, though, is often more rigid than cowhide, making for a longer break-in. I’m planning on getting a Vedder ComfortTuck Combat Cut for my P365, but I’m trying to see if the horsehide is worth the extra cost. I was secretly hoping you would chime in when I posted this. In a post a while back I asked if there were any topics that anyone wanted some more information on. The bison is raised and lives differently. CrossBreed Holsters come with a selection of backing material which includes Horsehied and Cowhide. As a general statement, chrome tannages do yield softer leathers, but retanning and drying methods can yield round, veg-like leathers. Looking to get some opinions and/or pros and cons for horsehide vs cowhide holsters. What would be the advantages of one or the other - horsehide or goatskin? Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and usable area, which means yields are better. Print; Mar 21, 2015 #1 . Not really. The majority of what we run here is cowhide. This results in it being more moisture resistant but i have also heard that its a cheaper leather and wont last as long as Cowhide.. Is horse uncomfortably stiff, as I read somewhere? June 21, 2014 Tanned exclusively for CrossBreed Holsters, our Black Cowhide is a vegetable tanned, drum dyed, 10-12 ounce top grain leather. There are other differences as well. I deliberately say "finer" and not "better" because they are just different, and I wouldn't say that one is necessarily better than the other based solely on grain appearance. Cow leather and bison leather/buffalo leather are both made by skilled artisans in the traditions of centuries past. I'll try and look up pictures when I get home. I’m currently getting a ton of traffic from somewhere on Facebook, mind if I ask where you found this post? Cowhide is also much more readily available. More fibers mean more durability, strength, and flexibility. HNS lots must hit a predetermined average weight and include 5% or less branded hides. Awesome thanks! I wound up buying two belts from him as a result. Traditionally, cowhide leather that is unfinished and not moisture sealed will have a tendency to absorb moisture such as sweat from the body when used for concealed carry in the waistband. Horsehide is a luxury leather often hailed as the all-rounder for its durability and handsome aesthetic. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. bark strip, russet horsehide strip, natural horsebutt strip, north of cordovan, and others) is thick relative to the front, and typically ranges from 4 - 10 oz, or 1.6 mm to 4 mm. CCW 30 0. Jason and Chris specifically commented that they wanted to hear more about Aero and/or their horsehide jackets. Lucas is a life long shooter and outdoorsman, avid concealed carrier and competitive shooter, and a lover of pork fat. - Bullhide - these tend to be larger and heavier hides, with heavily wrinkled shoulders. The strip (a.k.a. Horse tends to be a tougher hide, and sheens more easily giving it a glossy look, which some find unpleasant. As it is though I’m not a huge fan of holsters with a single clip. The Horsehide almost seem magnetic as was described to me by a user. Lambskin is very supple but generally has less tear resistance than goatskin, cowhide, or horsehide. I’n not an expert by any means. Strength Is buffalo leather stronger than cowhide leather? The fact is that skins of an equivalent quality in cowhide would wind up in the garbage-bin. Premium Black Leather Cowhide. Might as well trim it as you want. When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. This is great leather, though it's a little funky to work with due to the shape. It's also thinner, but tougher so it will feel very different. The Horsehide tends to remain stiff over a longer period of time and hold it's form, even under sweat and humidity. 1940's Letterman's Jacket - a post WW2 classic.... MORE >> "Aeromarine" Aeromarine - A 1920s Forerunner of the Type A-1... MORE >> "August" August - A 1930s Half Belted Jacket... MORE >> "Barnstormer" Double-breasted 4-pocket coat, four deep pockets, finest Alpaca … Horsehide is just too stiff, IMO. Jun 23, 2012 #1 . Put a good coat of even something as simple as mink oil paste, or better yet a good neastfoot oil/beeswax mixture (like crossbreed SHOULD have done) and you’ll notice a big difference. How to Get Started in Competitive Shooting: North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit Renewal. Until 1974, baseballs were made of horsehide. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. After a year or so it was so cracked I couldn't wear it with my suits. It integrates a moisture barrier… I live in Florida, so I know heat and humidity. Give me your take. When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. A friend had a horsehide IWB holster and complained that it felt like a brick in his waistband. On a well waxed leather piece water will bead up and run off (for a while – LOL). I would think if the moisture is making it through the leather, it would make it through either way. TC125, Jun … I have several Kramer holsters in horsehide, and while the cowhide holsters are just fine, the horsehide does tend to last longer and resist the excess stretching or becomming too loose. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 13 of 13 Posts ... A friend of mine who has both suggested I get the horsehide when I bought my Xdsc 9mm a month or so ago. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > Feb 9, 2007 #1. If you don’t want to get your pistol sweaty, go horsehide. Crossbreed doesn’t properly finish their edges anyway, just cut rivet and ship. Any personal expiernce would be great.. Goatskin vs horsehide Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by MKL, Feb 9, 2007. This thicker material is often smoother and less grainy than cowhide, and wears better over the course of time. Messages: 11 Likes Received: 0. The horsefront, the strip, and the shells. Cowhide with strop dressing has a draw that feels a bit sticky almost as if the razor is being slowed by a coating (which is exactly what is happening) as does Latigo. - Cowhide - these hides are lighter in weight and have "looser" bellies (that is, a more spongy fiber structure that has more stretch). Any feedback on what y'all like as well as brands you use. Decided on my IWB.. Crossbread. Anyone ever heard of Theis holsters? Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Certain hides and certain tanning processes lend themselves well to certain end uses, with the type and formulation of the tannage often being the most significant factor. Surprised that didn’t show in my news feed. Horsehide is much more elastic than cowhide and fits the foot like a soft glove similar to deerskin or elkskin but the toughness of horsehide gives it long life without the disadvantages associated with deer or elk. Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by highenuff89, Mar 21, 2015. 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